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| coastie |
Buchanan to ObamaBUCHANAN TO OBAMABy Patrick J. Buchanan Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America . Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these: First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks. We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??? Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent? Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself? As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time? Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse? We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing. Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. We are a Christian Nation even if Mr. Obama says we are not. |
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| Outsider |
I think that is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. So, somehow it's "Christian" to enslave 600,000 people and do all the sorry acts of rape, killings, etc, etc, etc. that were done, and then justify it by taking credit for the progress they have made since being freed from that slavery after fighting tooth and nail to keep them that way, by declaring they have reached their greatest levels because we made them christian and forced them to make progress. Then a few paragraphs later start listing all the bad things they are doing. What a crock. Where were they introduced to "Christian salvation", in the White churches? More likely at the point of a gun in a cotton field. Talk about racism raising it's ugly head. 
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| flyupsidedown |
Coastie that was one of the best posts I've read injecting reality and perspective into racial politics. It is the truth and this is why white America scratches their head wondering what is it going to take. At some point you have to recognize your failures belong to you. Politically the black community has focused on gov't (statist) based solutions instead of personal development based. You see when you approach it from personal development you have to constantly ask yourself, "what have I done about 'myself'"? It wasn't that way after the civil war and personal development and achievement soared along a steady trajectory among exslaves and their families. Then came the "Great Society", statist solution declaring "we will make all things equal and good, trust us". And they did. Now you have what you have. great post!
outsider rarely have I heard of or read a more incidious challenge of the facts. Or a more misrepresented misguided rebuttal. You must have cotton in your ears and blinders on your eyes, and fingers up your nose. Your post in contrast was . . . shall I be kind, . . stupid. None of your, temporary I hope, idiocy denouncing Coasties post had the remotest inkling resembling the facts, motives and intent of the article cited. Yours was just plain lunacy and I can only chock it up to you having written it during the full moon. There, you're forgiven . . . by reason of temporary lunacy. |
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| Outsider |
Flyupsidedown wrote:
I don't need your forgiveness Pal. The stupids, idiocy, and lunacy statements say more about the writer than anything else. Maybe if you got your finger out of your ... you could find better words to show your anger. |
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| flyupsidedown |
outsider:
eggslactily my point. Thanks for making it again. |
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| coastie |
Upon reflection, there are probably many things in the distant past that would be done differently. Those Africans that sold their brothers and sisters into slavery perhaps wouldn't do it today. (or maybe they would??).
Look around the world - Name me a country where black people have more opportunity than they do in this country. Or, where more opportunity is squandered. Unless people are willing to face the truth, these problems will never be solved. The pc bunch will continue to lambaste the racisim of whites, while ignoring the problems that exist in the black community. All of these problems are NOT induced by whites. As fly suggested, we are today living in president Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. From a political standpoint, the Democrats love it. There's a guaranteed 10 percent of the population in their pocket come election time. The only thing the democrats have to do is keep up with the freebies and they start out 10 percent ahead. If they were true friends of they would be doing everything in their power to break the cycle of dependence on the government and instill initiative and ambition. |
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| Outsider |
coastie wrote:
I see you skipped over the recent past and went to the distant past to do your reflecting, other than Johnson's great society. Reflect a little more and I'm sure you might find something other than Africans selling their brothers and sisters. You might find some criminal acts that, not probably, but should have been done differently. |
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| coastie |
And, Outsider, you chose to ignore all of the other assertions of the post.
It's definitely a tough problem - but, unless we're (and when I say we - I mean both blacks and whites) able to confront these issues honestly and openly, things will not get resolved. |
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| doomster |
And it was done before your time, my time, and anyone posting on this forums time. Its time to put that behind us and move on. People have rights these days and I don't see where I owe anything due to what happened years back, we all have equal rights now and things should be looked at in that direction. Not one individual should get special treatment for what happened over 100 years ago...if you dig back far enough you will find whites that were drove to slavery and share-farmers. The white race didn't get any government assistance or special treatment for that either, nor did they get a special month in history, or a day off as a federal holiday either. |
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| doomster |
Here is my take on the race issue.....its out there, no doubt about it, all you have to do is look for it, reguardless of your color. Myself, I have friends from about every walk...and I think the same of them reguardless of their color. I tend to build friends based more on character and the ability to function in life......if you have respect foryourself, your family, you work hard in life for what you do and want, and generally are a well rounded peson, reguardless of color.....you have done the best you can do for yourself. Build your friendships based on what matters, not what colors you are....thats my reasonings with it anyhoo. It works for me and always has, I treat folks the way they treat me, best way to go. | ||||
| Outsider |
See, that's the problem with Buchanan. He wants to paint everything in black and white. Sure it's a complicated and Coastie and Doomster you both have ligitimate points, and the African American community as Buchanan refers to them certainly have issues that need to be solved. No one is disputing that. But Buchanan himself chooses to mention cases such as these.
Are all the "recent" killings, burnings, bombing, hangings etc, etc., many of which have gone unpunished, hoaxes? He says we never hear of the epidemic of black assaults on whites, etc. What news casts has he been listening too? Sounds like he's trying to use the race card himself to try and drum up resentment against President Obama. |
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| coastie |
Mybe his intent is to shock people into realizing it's a complex issue.
I believe that many of the ills that blacks face to day is a result of white's taking advantage of them and them taking advantage of "the system". I said earlier:
The issue of blacks, generation after generation, being dependent on the government to subsist is terribly demoralizing for those in that situation. But, the kids grow up in that situation and they become what their mom was. How do we break the cycle? That's the challenge. Until we're able to instill ambition, motivation, and a strong desire to succeed in this world - we're destined to keep repeating our failures. This in turn keeps many taxpayers skeptical - wondering why they should be paying for others to do nothing. It's a huge problem, but it must be addressed. |
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| flyupsidedown |
outsider:
killings, burnings, bombing, hangings ? Against blacks? Where is all of this mayhem taking place? It does lead one to believe that if these three highly publicized supposed racial incidents were faked how many others might have been but left undiscovered? I wonder. How many times just on a local personal level have we heard racist accusations immediately thrown at a problem? It is the weapon of choice it seems. The socialist/communist left used these tactics to their benefit. As I have said earlier, the left is empowered by 'crisis' conditions that justifies, in their minds, drastic, reactionary, nondemocratic resolutions. Herein is the fascist element of the left. I expect these types of tactics to increase now that you have an Obama reactionary force alligned. coastie:
Couldn't disagree with you more on this one. I am a personal responsibility kind of person and we should own our actions and reactions. Many of the problems of black society stem from a breakdown of their family and/or moral structure and reliance upon the nanny state tittie to supplement with self esteem and personal wealth. You can holler white guilt all you want. I no longer buy it. I've lived too long to see the game played. The sooner they get off the 'blame whitie' train the sooner they will be on the road to discovery and recovery. |
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| Outsider |
Fly wrote:
Check the history during the fifties and sixties. I'd say that was recent history. Wouldn't you? |
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| jhofficial |
How much longer before it wont be considered "recent" history. |
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| Outsider |
Jhofficial wrote:
Quite a few more years. What's your answer JH? |
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| jhofficial |
Its over. Been over. Move on. |
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| Outsider |
jhofficial wrote:
Oh, you don't like my reaction to Buchanan's article so I'm supposed to move on because you don't agree with my opinion. If you don't want to read my post you can take your own advice and "move on", to the next thread. |
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| jhofficial |
What the hell are you slow? You asked for my answer. I gave it. The whoa is me attitude of the black race in this country due to the white man is so evil, is over, been over and its time they move on. That post has nothing to with you, your reaction or what the hell ever I do or not want to read. |
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| Outsider |
At times, yes. I apologize for misunderstanding your answer. Sorry I got you all riled up JH. 
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| jhofficial |
Apology accepted, even though not necessary. LOL I just get "riled up when people ask a question and then don't like the answer they get 
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| flyupsidedown |
outsider:
No, I wouldn't. Let's say you had a devastating tragedy in your family involving a neighbor. Let's say he beat your grandfather to death after a disagreement, 60 years ago. Is it healthy to reenact the travesty over and over and to teach your children about those 'evil' neighbors? Should you have them live their lives always reflecting upon that incident? Should they at every disagreement they have with people hereafter scream, "murderer"!? Rather they should teach the opportunities available through hardwork and education. How personal responsibility, a cleancut appearance, good manners and pulling your pants up will help you get a job. |
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| doomster |
Watch these videos from start to end...it gives some good reasonings, the 2nd one is the best one, atleast watch this one.
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| doomster |
Another good one....
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| doomster |
This one gets good around the 1:30 section of the video.
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| coastie |
fly wrote
guess I didn't articulate my point well. The democratic party is more than happy to have 10 percent of the vote in their back pocket. In return, they're more than willing to keep pumping the freebies and maintaining the status quo for the black community. If they "really" cared, they'd be exploring ways to break the cycle of dependence on the government and instill a sense of motivation and desire to succeed. In this regard, I believe they are taking advantage of the situation |
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| THE CURE |
No more than the Republicans and their anti-abortion rhetoric coastie. The Republicans had a President in the WH and control of both house's of congress AND a sympathetic Supreme Court and didn't even try to overturn Roe v Wade. Do you know why coastie? They don't want to lose that shotgun issue. It gets voters to the polls. Conservative voters. |
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| Outsider |
doomster wrote:
I'm not saying he doesn't make some valid points, he does, but his obvious hate for the President and his own racism come through loud and clear. Loud mouthed evangelical types turn me off, their big mouth gets in the way of any message they try to deliver. |
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| coastie |
cure wrote:
so, you're not disputing my point that the democratic party is taking advantage of blacks by holding them hostage to government freebies in return for their undivided loyalty at the polls? By the way, recent polls show that the majority of Americans are anti-abortion except in very extreme circumstances (life of the mother, rape, incest). http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399...e-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx |
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| Outsider |
In that last video, James Manning making statements like he guarantees President Obama won't be taking any hamburger rides and getting a bead on him, etc. is only going to guarantee one thing. The Secret Service is keeping a close eye on this guy and his elk. | ||||
| lemontrail |
Hey coastie, use outsiders definition of "recent". You can go back to 1950 and take a poll from then and see how many Americans favored abortion. Don't think you'll find a lot! |
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| lemontrail |
Outsider, you'd better keep a close eye on Manning's elk... you liable to end up with some antlers up your arse!!! Ooooooooooohhhhh, and look, here's one of Manning's Elk now... 
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| Outsider |
lemon since you are such an expert and smart arse with words, I'm sure you will understand these:
"You pusillanimous obnoxious desecrated creature you." 
Since you don't seem to have a clue about what recent history is, you can educate yourself here: http://www.historesearch.com/recentamhist.html
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| lemontrail |
Well damn, that was a wasted $60k for my BS/MS in History. Wonder if they will refund my money??? |
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| coastie |
Lemontrail wrote:
[quote]Hey coastie, use outsiders definition of "recent". You can go back to 1950 and take a poll from then and see how many Americans favored abortion. Don't think you'll find a lot!
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| Outsider |
lemon:
Probably was> B.S. = Bull Sh.t M.S. = More of the Same Ph.D. =Piled Higher and Deeper |
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| doomster |
Outsider....you got it all wrong.
PHD = Pops had dollars |
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| jhofficial |
I thought I read somewhere else that lemon-head hadn't finished that MS yet. So which is it, have you or haven't you? | ||||
| lemontrail |
New degree jh. Different discipline. |
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