flyupsidedown
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EPA a political sham
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Kestrel
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| Quote: | | Fox & Friends embraces falsehood undermining "hushed up" EPA report |
| Quote: | | Gavin Schmidt, a climate modeler at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, wrote in a June 26 RealClimate.org post that in reading the internal EPA document that Carlin co-authored, "[o]ne can see a number of basic flaws [in its main points]; the complete lack of appreciation of the importance of natural variability on short time scales, the common but erroneous belief that any attribution of past climate change to solar or other forcing means that CO2 has no radiative effect, and a hopeless lack of familiarity of the basic science of detection and attribution." |
http://mediamatters.org/research/200906300040
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coastie
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media matters
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| Quote: | Media Matters for America (or MMfA) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization founded in 2004 by journalist and author David Brock. Media Matters for America describes itself as "a web-based, not-for-profit, progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." Media Matters for America defines "conservative misinformation" as "news or commentary presented in the media that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda."[1]
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so, the media matters report might also be questionable to some.
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Outsider
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Just more of the same old Fox Preaching to the choir. Nobody else is listening and some of the choir members are skipping practice, starting to see the light and getting tired of the same old sermon. Probably thinking about going to another church. 
| Quote: | Preaching to the choir is an English idiom that means a person is trying to convince or persuade another person or group to believe in or agree with something that they already believe in or agree with. Preaching to the choir, preaching to the chorus, and preaching to the converted are all similar idioms with the same meaning, but preaching to the choir is the most commonly used.
This particular idiom stems from the traditional church where the choir, or chorus, of a church stand behind the preacher singing hymnals that express the belief of the church while the preacher delivers a sermon hoping to reach the non-believers in the congregation. The preacher would not turn around and deliver the sermon to the choir rather than the congregation, as this would be considered a futile or pointless act. Thus, the idiom preaching to the choir reflects the same principal.
Someone might say “you’re preaching to the choir” if you were offering a heated or passionate explanation of your social, political, or moral views and they already agreed with your position. This is a way of letting you know that there is or will be no debate to what you are saying and that they are in full agreement. They may also be inferring that you can stop spending energy trying to convince them of your point because it is a point they’ve already concluded on their own.
Similarly, an individual may rant or vent their feelings on a subject and conclude with a statement such as “I know, I’m preaching to the choir.” This is an expression indicating that they simply wanted to vent their feelings on a matter to someone they knew would understand and agree with them rather than someone who would debate the matter or offer a different perspective.
Though the use of the idiom "preaching to the choir" is rarely used in conjunction with a verbal insult in social conversation, it could be an indicator that you are wasting your time in conversation and should move on to another topic.
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Kestrel
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| coastie wrote: | | so, the media matters report might also be questionable to some. |
But FOX is more questionable to some when you consider the following.
| Quote: | | Media Matters for America (or MMfA) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization founded in 2004 by journalist and author David Brock. Media Matters for America describes itself as "a web-based, not-for-profit, progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." Media Matters for America defines "conservative misinformation" as "news or commentary presented in the media that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda."[1] |
So what is wrong with correcting information that is not accurate, reliable, or credible? Yeah, they target the conservative side of politics, but we can't just focus on the liberals. Sorry.
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coastie
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I'd pay a little more attention if it said "non-partisan" --- If they are progressive as stated in their charter, it's in their nature to slant things to their liking (discreditting conservatives where-ever/when-ever they can). The same would be true of a conservative group which was established to find fault with liberal causes.
Either one of them need to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Kestrel
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| coastie wrote: | I'd pay a little more attention if it said "non-partisan" --- If they are progressive as stated in their charter, it's in their nature to slant things to their liking (discreditting conservatives where-ever/when-ever they can). The same would be true of a conservative group which was established to find fault with liberal causes.
Either one of them need to be taken with a grain of salt. |
Yes, either one needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
But I give Media Matters credit for actually saying they do target conservative misinformation. Meanwhile, Fox pushes the conservative view (including misinformation), but says they are fair and balanced, which is a lie to many.
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