flyupsidedown
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Gangster GovernmentYou liberals like these charismatic fascist rulers; Mussolini, Hitler, Obama. It is really shameless that you have such disregrad for our former Democratic Republic.
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SkygreenLeopard
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And you called my post "lame." 
| Quote: | Mad Michelle – Looney Tune Bachmann At It Again!
June 26, 2009
Mad Michelle, AKA Looney-Tune Bachmann -
The Congresswoman from Minnesota who single handedly has established that not only do you not need a college degree – mental illness is no impediment to serving in Congress – is at it again!
This time with a refusal to fill out the US Census…
Because the stormtroopers may come and haul her off to a concentration camp… A concentration camp for fruitcake conservatives.
Never mind that as a elected representative, you have certain responsibilities (Hello, Mark Sanford?), like…
Abiding by the law.
If someone comes to get Congresswoman Bachmann, it won’t be guys dressed in black Ninja suits…
It’ll be the guys in white jackets.
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flyupsidedown
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It seems to be the favorite attack of choice for the elite socialist, self proclaimed intellectual armchair psychiatrists to be able to deed who is sane and who is ready for the 'whitejacket'. They always do this, hence in soviet Russia "Christians' were deemed mentally ill and sent to mental institutions where they tortured and drugged them into oblivion. Then there was the khmer rouge who murdered and re-educated those deemed mentally deficient needing extermination or re-educating, and in China and in . . . the US? Seeing how one of your last posts came from Maxist Thought Online I guess I shouldn't expect much more.
If you have no constructive response other than psuedo psychiatric evaluations of instability, you may as well leave them where they came from. They smell of the stench of unclean political demagoguery. This is how the nazis demeaned jews to the point of vermin in the german publics eyes. You may choose that route if you like but know we all smell you coming and it does your discourse no credit. It is worse than racist, it is anti-human when your only argument is they are less than sane. Think about it.
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fly wrote:
| Quote: | | You liberals like these charismatic fascist rulers; Mussolini, Hitler, Obama |
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| Quote: | You may choose that route if you like but know we all smell you coming and it does your discourse no credit. It is worse than racist, it is anti-human when your only argument is they are less than sane.
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What other argument is there??
What do you smell? Who is we all? You seem to be the one hung up on using labels like fascist rulers, Mussolini, Hitler," Obama?????" Maxist, communists, racists,etc, etc., now it's worse than racists and some how anti-human to see and point out that there are others that don't agree with your view point or hers.
My post was a quote, but I agree with the quote in this case.
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flyupsidedown
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Outsider: | Quote: | | You seem to be the one hung up on using labels like fascist rulers, Mussolini, Hitler," Obama?????" Maxist, communists, |
These are not 'labels' they represent political systems that have historical consequences. If you don't know the history of 'fascism' I would recommend you read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg. History repeats itself on a regular basis. Fascism is no stranger to America and what you find out is it has always been a function of Liberals with socialistic foundations and/or tendencies. This falls right in line with the Obama administration. Fascism is not a deliberative political movement but one of rapid action based on the charismatic force of a political leaders personality. Sound familiar? There are too many similarities to mention here but I would recommend the book.
Fascism, you find out was labeled 'rightwing' by the Soviet socialists because of Mussolini's nationalistic fervor that undercut their drive to unite workers globally. There are different types of socialism. Hilter based his fascist socialism on nationalistic racism. Totalitarianism was coined by Mussolini and was a good thing to many liberal Americans. It meant the gov't 'totally' took care of everything to do with national life. Mussolini's favorite saying was "everything for the state, nothing outside the state" as he nationalized everything to be able to controll it for the better of Italy's citizens. He was the darling of the world, and not a few prominent liberal politicians in America. He was no buffoon as anecdotal history portrays him. He was envyed by both the soviets, Hitler and many on the left here in the US.
Classic political historians, mainly conservatives, understand fascisms need to move very quickly and subvert deliberation based on constitutional foundations. Socialism/fascism seeks to undermine a republican form of democracy based on a constitution. So they push to portray the constitution as a 'living' document subject to 'interpretive' change based on political and societal wind changes.
The only fascist element Obama hasn't utilized is a strong military subject to personalityand nationalism. If the dollar collapses, a real possibility, and there are riots and a need for martial law, then that element comes into play. It isn't paranoid to observe contemporary history and try to make comparisons with what we know occured in the past. On the contrary, it is prudent and wise. Every president is a student of history and drws from its examples. It is only a question of which side of the fountain he drinks his history.
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Kestrel
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Classic political historians, mainly democrats, understand fascisms need to move very quickly and subvert deliberation based on constitutional foundations. Socialism/fascism seeks to undermine a democratic form of democracy based on a constitution. So they push to portray the constitution as a 'living' document subject to 'interpretive' change based on political and societal wind changes.
There, fixed it.
Hmm, I remember conservatives trying to use personality and miltary to get folks to support them. Sounds like conservatives are the facists then. And like I said before, the dollar was in worse shape under Bush.
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fly wrote:
| Quote: | | These are not 'labels' they represent political systems that have historical consequences. |
Oh, I could have sworn some implications were toward some with a different point of view labeled liberal of which many of us are very patriotic Americans who have spent many years in service to their country, military and otherwise.
Thanks for clearing that up. Whew!!!
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I have taken the time to read this 2010 Census survey plus the second part called the American Community Survey. Combined , this whole survey is 65 pages long. I can say this, I don't need a member of congress to convince me that I am not going to comply with the American Community Survey. I have seen for myself how intrusive this survey is into my private life. Before anyone passes judgement on anothers decision to not fill out this survey, read it for yourself, it's easily accessible online. I am by no means trying to convince anybody of anything. I like to make my own decisions as I'm sure the rest of you do too.
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flyupsidedown
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Outsider: | Quote: | | Oh, I could have sworn some implications were toward some with a different point of view labeled liberal of which many of us are very patriotic Americans |
It may interest you to know that 'conservatives' was a derogatory label pasted on 'Classic Liberals' that didn't bite into the newest and greatest mechanism for societal change, called fascism, swallowed by the majority of Liberals back in the 20's on. Classic liberalism, I would qualify, is rooted in the constitutional mechanism of democratic republican gov't. for making change. The new liberal saw it as antiquated and slow and restricting. Socialism, communism and fascism were the methods of choice for modern liberals and is their historical foundation. I'm still not biting.
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Kestrel
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Fascists played to the old guard too. Hitler got much of the power in the early days because of the military and some big corporations. He knocked off the SA because he wanted to play to the military and their old guard. That's why I don't see how you can pin Hitler as a liberal.
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