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| flyupsidedown |
GOP slams Obama economic disasterhttp://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...ams-obama-disaster-in-weekly.html"After all of this spending, after all of this borrowing from China, the Middle East, our children and our grandchildren, where are the jobs?" Minority Leader John Boehner GOP Weekly Address June 27, 2009 House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) today delivered the weekly Republican address. The address comes as unemployment rises while Washington Democrats continue to pursue policies on the economy, health care, energy, and the environment that will destroy more American jobs and drive future generations into deeper debt. Go to the link at the top there is more: |
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| Kestrel |
Uh, didn't the GOP give us this economic disaster? Oh yeah, they did! 
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| Outsider |
Is republican Leader John Boehner still smoking? Maybe he could work on that and accomplish something. He didn't do or say anything about the mess while it was being created under Bush.
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| flyupsidedown |
kestrel:
I guess you have some tangible way to qualify that statement or is this just the standard dem line for all of Obamas screwups? It is just a tad bit useless and even moreso escapist. Comfort yourself my brother. You might want to also crawl into a fetal position. |
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| coastie |
I wonder how long the democrats figure they can blame bush - for everything that goes wrong?
Some are starting to see through the smokescreen - more will. http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter...or-failing-economic-policies.html |
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| Outsider |
coastie wrote:
Yeah coastie the smoke screen is pretty thick, but we are seeing right through it. 
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| Kestrel |
Yeah I do! Look at unemployment, GDP, housing sales, etc. This economic downturn didn't start in January buddy, and to think so is just plain stupid. I mean how short is your memory? It is hard to comfort myself when folks like you are so out of touch with reality. 
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| flyupsidedown |
who's out of touch with reality? It was Obama who told us by passing the $700 billion+ stimulus bill, unemployment would peak at 8% and he would create 3.5 million jobs. Uh, whose reality are we talking about? The reps told us his stimulus was a crony giveaway to pet districts and wasn't a stimulus bill. Their version was certified to really stimulate job creation at twice the rate and cost half as much. Why wasn't it used instead, mister reality? | ||||
| Kestrel |
Perhaps the reps had a plan that would have resulted in 20% unemployment?
They are all politicians. They guess some numbers, and they usually don't get it right. I remember republicans saying the war in Iraq would pay for itself. Should I trust their figures? Shoot, the news never seems to get the weather right looking seven days ahead. Why would a bunch of politicians actually get their numbers right? Reality is knocking on your door fly. Why do you keep it closed and the lights off? |
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| flyupsidedown |
kestrel:
The numbers were put out by the CBO Congressional Budget Office. These are bureaucrats in positions forever. They said the reps plan was a better jobs producer for half the money. However it was a dem controlled congress that voted in the dem plan. Huh? Imagine that? Like I said it is congress that runs the country's pursestrings, not the president. He can holler, but they make and pay the bills. That was your homeboys that voted in the lousy giveaway, tax and spend, nonstimulus plan. |
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| Kestrel |
Better? How was it better? What is your source for this claim? Because I read that the Senate's plan was better in the short term, but worse in the long term when compared to the House's plan. http://www.usnews.com/articles/ne...-creation-goal-in-short-term.html |
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| rorapid |
Man- democrats are losing their mind. All housing codes must meet CA codes - why conform to any regulations from CA - a state whose economic policies have destroyed the state. The whole cap and trade is another way for the dems to create more gov't control and dig us deeper in turmoil. These types of taxes will not only put small businesses out of business, due to their already high utility costs (most manufacturer's' utility bills are greater than direct labor) businesses will have to pass the cost on to us and cut pay and jobs, it will increase our cost of living and decrease our quality of life. Cap and trade = destruction of America. | ||||
| Kestrel |
All housing codes must meet CA codes? Where did you hear about this? Businesses will have to adopt methods that use less energy. My parents recently replaced spent a couple grand replacing the main wires on their farm, and saved a couple grand a year in utility bills. Great return, and my father said he would have done it years ago if he knew it would have saved him that much. Cap and trade seems to have worked for NOX and other emissions. It allows current plants to keep operating, and spur development of better plants to be built. Moving our economy away from being dependent on foreign energy would help us in the long term by keeping energy costs and supply stable. |
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| rorapid |
it is included within the 300 pages added at the last minute at 3:00 am.
All houses sold will have to be inspected by federal inspectors and they will assign a rating based on that. Not only will that hurt home sales, but decrease values of a lot of homes. I agree we need to move away from foreign oil, but taxing our use is not the way to do it. Encouraging conservation and research into using other resources is key. Obama even said that this bill will dramatically increase energy prices for all Americans and really hurt the poorer communities. HOPE + CHANGE = BS |
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| Kestrel |
Do you have a link to the amendment? I haven't been able to find it myself.
Taxing uses market forces (capitalism) to encourage research into cheaper alternatives and conservation. Should we use a more socialist method like quotas, or have the government take over the industries? |
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| flyupsidedown |
Obama Can't Be Trusted With Numbers
So why should we trust him with health care? By KARL ROVE In February, President Barack Obama signed a $787 billion stimulus bill while making lavish promises about the results. He pledged that "a new wave of innovation, activity and construction will be unleashed all across America." He also said the stimulus would "save or create up to four million jobs." Vice President Joe Biden said the massive federal spending plan would "drop-kick" the economy out of the recession. But the unemployment rate today is 9.5% -- nearly 20% higher than the Obama White House said it would be with the stimulus in place. Keith Hennessey, who worked at the Bush White House on economic policy, has noted that unemployment is now higher than the administration said it would be if nothing was done to revive the economy. There are 2.6 million fewer Americans working than Mr. Obama promised . . . http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124709502661214861.html |
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| Kestrel |
And why should we trust Karl Rove? With conflicts of interest with stocks, firing folks for political purposes, invading Iraq, Mission accomplished, Plame affair, etc. | ||||
| flyupsidedown |
And why should we trust this corrupt administration and not throw Obama out on his . . . (fill in the blank)?
July 09, 2009 Surprise! Guess where most of the stim money is going Ed Lasky From an article by Brad Heath in USA Today: 'Counties that supported Obama last year have reaped twice as much money per person from the administration's $787 billion economic stimulus package as those that voted for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, a USA TODAY analysis of government disclosure and accounting records shows. That money includes aid to repair military bases, improve public housing and help students pay for college.' Chicago rules. This dynamic is a reflection of the very pay-to-play sort of politics exercised for decades by the Chicago Green Machine. Obama rewards those who support him - as would your everyday alderman; and penalizes, by omission, those who supported McCain (or Republicans). As he said, when the other guys brings a knife to a fight, he would bring a gun. More likely a 700 billion dollar plus cannon. His administration has control over our taxpayer dollars to direct funds to favored constituencies - the most favored being those who voted for Barack Obama. The President of all Americans? Not quite true. His campaign funds the US budget. Barack H.Obama - Alderman- in-Chief. |
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| Kestrel |
Funny, I don't remember you saying anything about Bush? Where were you then with your righteousness? So much for Saint Fly.
Perhaps the counties that supported Obama pay more taxes per person than the ones that supported McCain? Perhaps those are the counties that need the most help? Perhaps those are the counties that are most vital for our survival as a nation? No, it couldn't be. |
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| flyupsidedown |
You're right, it couldn't be. If you believe that it could, I've got a sky scraper in Weldon I want to sell you. Really. He is not in Chicago. He is the president of all the people. I can imagine the secret service has their hands full trying to protect this guy. Sheesh. You can smell corruption from here. This is why the stimulus was a flop. It wasn't stimulus just like the reps said, it is pay off booty. | ||||
| Kestrel |
Ah, someone is sour that he didn't get paid off. | ||||
| flyupsidedown |
You could say that. Bush had the right idea just the wrong amount. If he had sent $10,000 or $20,000 to every tax paying family instead of the measly 1000 bucks this economy would be moving again at probably a fraction of the Obama fiasco. | ||||
| Kestrel |
Yeah, but he spent it all in that war in Iraq. You know, the one that was suppose to pay for itself. | ||||