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THE CURE

It's time for reconciliation

Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow a contentious budget bill to be considered without being subject to filibuster. Reconciliation also applies in the United States House of Representatives, but since the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendment, the reconciliation process represented less of a change in that body.

It's coming people and so is health care reform. George Bush used it to pass those tax cuts for the rich. It's nothing new and it's time has come.
flyupsidedown

If they use it there will be pandimonium, maybe even riots.  It would be the single greatest screwup the dems could possibly do.  I double-dog dare them.  They will justify everything the conservatives have been saying about fascist power grabbers.  I think they see their days are numbered until 2010 and in a panick they are grasping for whatever victory they can to glorify their precious 'messiahs' promise,  it will ruin them.
Roostercogburn

[quote="flyupsidedown"]If they use it there will be pandimonium, maybe even riots...quote]


Fly, you are a riot! Razz
flyupsidedown

Thanks, didn't think you noticed.
THE CURE

Bush already used it fly. We will if we have to.
coastie

Reconcilliation is subject to the Byrd rule:

you can read about it here.

http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/05/reconciliation-part-2/

Some of the key provisions are

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From Senator Reid’s perspective, so far, so good.  Before bringing the reconciliation bill to the Senate floor, I would expect that he would draft an alternative to the two bills, called a substitute amendment.  He would take components of the two committee bills and combine them in a way that best achieves his policy goals and, more importantly, maximizes his probability of holding 51 Democratic votes on the Senate floor.  As long as he stays close to the confines of the two committee-reported bills, he has nearly complete freedom to draft the substitute amendment any way he likes.

We learned in the first post that the reconciliation rules protect the bill from a filibuster and endless and non-germane amendments.  If Senator Reid can hold 51 votes to defeat amendments, and to vote aye on final passage, then he’s home free.  He has a further advantage in that the rules make it hard to add things to a reconciliation bill.

His problem is the Byrd rule.  Any one Senator (presumably a Republican who opposes the bill) can surgically use the Byrd rule to remove sections of the bill.  Senator Reid will need 60 votes to defeat each of these attempts, and there could be a lot of them.  If Reid’s coalition is shy of 60 votes, the bill could end up being Swiss cheese by the end of the process and before Senate passage.  The reconciliation bill that passes the Senate could contain enormous gaps from provisions stricken by skillful use of the Byrd rule.

We’re really down in the weeds, but this is critically important, so I’m going to dive a little further into the specifics of the Byrd rule and how it might apply to health care reform.





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We learned in the first post that any provision which does not affect spending or taxes is “extraneous,” and therefore violates the Byrd rule, and therefore can be removed by a single Senator raising a point of order unless 60 of his colleagues vote to “waive” the point of order and leave that provision in the bill.  Note that the Byrd rule has nothing to do with whether a provision is good or bad policy.  It’s mechanical.




Here are the three most important parts of the Byrd rule:

1.If a provision has no effect on spending or revenues, then it’s extraneous and violates the Byrd rule…
2.… unless it is a necessary term or condition of another provision that does affect spending or revenues.
3.If a provision has a small budget effect that is merely incidental to its broader non-budgetary policy effect, then it is extraneous and violates the Byrd rule.
SkygreenLeopard

flyupsidedown wrote:
If they use it there will be pandimonium, maybe even riots.  It would be the single greatest screwup the dems could possibly do.  I double-dog dare them.  They will justify everything the conservatives have been saying about fascist power grabbers.  I think they see their days are numbered until 2010 and in a panick they are grasping for whatever victory they can to glorify their precious 'messiahs' promise,  it will ruin them.


You see? When Bush did things we didn't agree with, we democratically voted his party out of office by a landslide. Sent him and all his cronies a message that won't soon be forgotten.

When republicans disagree with their president, what do we have? Threats of military coups, threats of riots, threats of blood in the streets..etc etc etc

See why we need to keep these nutjobs out of power?
Outsider

SAR wrote:

Quote:
You see? When Bush did things we didn't agree with, we democratically voted his party out of office by a landslide. Sent him and all his cronies a message that won't soon be forgotten.

When republicans disagree with their president, what do we have? Threats of military coups, threats of riots, threats of blood in the streets..etc etc etc

See why we need to keep these nutjobs out of power?


A lot of us saw it nine years ago, but with the help of the right (wrong side) side of the supreme court it happened anyway.  Having survived this bunch that long says a lot about the resilience of this country.  It's going to be a long slog correcting the damage done.  While the repub right is in total pandemonium, talking riots and all that bull the rest of the country will be getting things back in order.  

It's probably going to be like after Herbert Hoover, years and years and a popular General before they get the people to forget and get back in power again.  Hopefully, by then the country will have repaired most of the damage and be back in a position to survive another period of hole digging.
THE CURE

As long as Obama can appoint a couple more to the SCOTUS things will be ok.
coastie

who do you figure is next to leave the supreme court, Cure?
THE CURE

Stevens, Ginsberg and Scalia. Probably in that order.
coastie

So, no change soon in the make-up of the court - liberal vs. conservative/
THE CURE

No change means status quo. I can live with the way things are coastie. Can you?
coastie

is there a choice?
THE CURE

Nicaragua?

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