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| flyupsidedown |
Obamacare rebukedIt's time to listen to the real voices of expertise. There's a part 2 on youtube for those interested under the title: A Doctor's View on Health Care Part II |
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| THE CURE |
Wow! Can you imagine a Doctor that is against Health Care reform? That's like asking a Saudi what he thinks about an electric car. You got to do better than that fly. | ||||
| flyupsidedown |
Wow! That the best response you got? I guess he is good enough that these senators want to hear what he has to say. I guess you'd get a construction worker to testify. What a cynical snob you are. I guess there isn't a doctor in the universe that wants to heal people. They're all in it just for the money, right? Doctors have expenses and payrolls and equipment costs and insurance etc. just like any business man. I know a doctor in town that said for some of the operations he performs medicare reimbursement leaves him short out of his own pocket. These high fallootins in congress need to know the doctors perspective before they pass laws and make policy. Who else you going to trust? Hillary? Thought you'd say that. It is easy for politicians to spew their giveaways when they won't have to bear the burden of the cost or the short fall of quality care. Gee, what new 'experiment' will they drag the taxpayer through next? There needs to be open honest rigorous debate not this ramroded one-sided socialist takeover. | ||||
| Kestrel |
I remember reading about doctors that are switching to not dealing with health insurance, do everything themselves (even take out the trash), and have lower costs than what medicare pays as a result. A big part of the cost is the paperwork caused by dealing with so many health insurance companies. | ||||
| Outsider |
The "Harry and Louise" type propaganda coming from the right, ain't going to work this time.
The American people are sick and tired of being shafted by the Insurance Companies who, backed by the republicans, have jacked up premiums every year while giving less and less coverage. The welfare, food stamp, give aways are peanuts compared to the ripp-offs by the big insurance companies backed by politicians. No one wants government run insurance, but who can keep up with the ridiculous increases forced on us by the insurance rip-off industry? I think Obama is going to try and put some regulation on them. I say get on with it! They have been sucking eggs way too long! "Harry and Louise" was the name of a television commercial funded by the Health Insurance Association of America." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_and_Louise |
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| coastie |
I heard today - one of the provisions of the Health Care plan being worked on would tax benefits which were more generous than the national health care insurance.
Collective bargaining (UNION) health-care plans would be exempt from the tax. The tax wouldn't go into effect until 2013. This would allow Unions to use the tax-exempt health benefits as a recruitment tool to attract/coerce new membership. Why are unions exempt from the tax when no one else is? see this link. http://slate.msn.com/blogs/blogs/...-get-a-health-care-tax-break.aspx |
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| flyupsidedown |
And not only unions are exempt but also guess who . . . surprise, surprise Congress will be exempt, and gov't employees.
. . . ObamaCare specifically exempts members of Congress along with federal employees; the exemptions are in section 3116. If nationalized medicine is good enough for us then they have have to suffer as well. What makes this scam on the American people all the more Obama-disgusting? Who could forget when Obama was telling everyone he wanted the people to have a health care program just like Congress has? Remember that? But Congress knows it's crap: it exempts itself and federal employees from it. The US is becoming more like the old USSR, where the old good jobs are government jobs and the only way to get something done is to have a "friend" in the government. The USSR or Chicagoland gangsta politics. If Obama and his goons are going to destroy the best healthcare system in the world, they should be first on line for dirty scalpels and euthanasia. Or perhaps the left wing mainstream media should be first, as they are an embarrassing shill for dear leader . . . http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.co...unions-exempt-from-obamacare.html |
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| THE CURE |
There is a big announcement on health care today at 12:30. | ||||
| coastie |
Cure - how do you feel about union members being exempted from health care benefit taxation? | ||||
| THE CURE |
I don't have a problem with it. I don't belong to a union but I know the unions and labor movement allowed a lot of Americans to move into the middle class. It's a reward for helping elect the President. I think you will see it as an organizing tool to increase the number and size of the unions in the US. Somebody was thinking ahead coastie. | ||||
| coastie |
You don't think that the union demands and the costs associated with their benefits (retirement and healthcare) played a big part in Chrysler and GM bankruptcies? | ||||
| THE CURE |
No. If GM and Chrysler couldn't afford the cost associated with it they should have taken that approach at the bargaining table. Inept management was their downfall. | ||||
| Outsider |
flyupsidedown wrote:
Man, you're getting more angry by the day. Goons, USSR, high fallootins, socialists take over, etc, etc, etc. All that anger is going to get you down fly. Maybe a little change in the way health care is done in this country would help keep the insurance industry in check and cause them to use a little discipline in what they offer and in their pricing. Have you ever thought about that? What would be wrong with that? Or are you OK when the insurance companies rip you off but mad when the government tries to correct the mess the insurance industry has created. Oh, I forgot, you don't like government unless republicans are running it. Nothing to do with issues. 
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| Kestrel |
Funny, my sister knew NO ONE in the federal government, and guess where she works? |
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| Kestrel |
No, they went downhill because they used to have a lot of employees. People now live longer, and therefore the long term costs rose, and the US automakers faced stiff competition from newcomers. |
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| flyupsidedown |
Outsider:
Actually, Outsider I'd like you to close your eyes. Now, picture an elegantly quaffed individual, sitting in a velvet highback chair. He's wearing a red silk smoking jacket with a plume white ascot. Coolly he reaches for a tumbler of peach tea and puffs from his 10 inch cigarette holder all the while impassionately dictating his Rorap posts to his personal assistant. Any questions?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to make efficiency the hallmark of healthcare, however we're not talking about "a little change" here. And when has Gov't ever done anything cheaper or more efficient than the private sector where competition exists in the marketplace. How about the gov't doing something about TORT REFORM like they have been crying out for years. The frivolous and exorbitant lawsuits are probably one of the top, if not the top reason rates are so high. Every time a rep tries to bring it up it is shot down because trial lawyers are big constituents for the dems. Just like when Bush tried to address social security reform, same thing. And it has to be done. I got a letter from a law firm that has a class action suit against my insurance company. Apparently some contractors cleaning up after Hurricane Fran felt that even though they were paid the full amount for their repairs it didn't include enough extra for the profit they wanted. My repairs were $5000 and I would be entitled to approx. $200. Why I don't know. The attorneys want 33 million for their part. This is what drives up costs, and it is 24/7. We won't even talk about all the extra tests doctors run that aren't necessary but they run to cover themselves against lawsuits. And on, and on. I mean give me a break. You libs are so fork-tongued two-faced. You rail about the CEO's pay bonuses and the trial lawyers clean our clocks every day of the week and it adds enormous cost effect to everything. Come on how expensive can it be to carry a brief case into a court room? What do they produce? Like parasites they feed off of every industy and lick their chops at every misfortune. It is an over simplification but you should get the point. |
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| Outsider |
flyupsidedown wrote:
No, I don't have any questions. Pretty much how I had you pictured. Course real life would probably be a shocker. Maybe a rebel flag out front and overalls. 
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| Outsider |
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| flyupsidedown |
Outsider:
You forgot the phhhhhhfaaaaaarrrt! Don't be crass. Is their something unseemly about overalls? Many a farmer has built and fed this country wearing overalls. They are as Americana as, as, . . . as apple pie! What are you the fashion gestapo? Do you have an overalls-aphobia? Global warming not keeping you busy enough sandbagging the shoreline? At least if people wore overalls they couldn't have their underwear stickin out of their britches. And you couldn't slide em down to your ankles and try to walk down the street at the same time. There is a certain quality of Zen solidarity, of Americanism when you wear . . . overalls. It expresses a strength of inner beauty, or is that beauty of inner strength that you are not concerned about the outward appearance knowing you are brimming internally with wholesome goodness and sweetness. Yes, Outsider, let yourself go and feel the feeling. It is good to be over-alled. |
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| Outsider |
flyupsidedown wrote:
And the chew bacco spit stain down the front of dem overalls. 
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