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Racism marched at tax payers march. | Quote: | Packs of taxpayer marchers shuffled down Pennsylvania Avenue proudly waving signs. "The Long Legged Mack Daddy," "Where's the Birth Certificate," Mississippi Freedom Riders," "Whoa Boys Take it from Here" (Obama waving to black and Islamic militants). Many defiantly waved Confederate flags and the Texas state flag (separatist movement emblem).
Meanwhile, South Carolina senator Jim DeMint, Congresspersons Mike Pence, Phil Gingrey and Marsha Blackburn, and organizer mouthpiece scandal-plagued former House majority leader Dick Armey profusely swore that the march had nothing to do with race, politics, or even President Obama. The racist flags, symbols and signs, though, gave big lie to their profuse denials. Racism was on full and ugly display on the Capitol Mall. No attempt was made to mask it. Some protesters seemed quite proud to openly send a message about race and Obama.
DeMint and Armey's public pretense that the Taxpayer March was non-partisan, with absolutely no racial overtone or anti-Obama motive to it is the stock ploy to play the race card while disavowing any play of it. The GOP has honed the ploy to a science in the past four decades.
During the Nixon years, and later during the Reagan years, GOP leaders figured that there were a lot of white guys out there who were mad as hell at the feds for dumping a bloated, overblown big government on them. Lurking underneath their frustration was the finger point at minorities for the government bloat. That turned into the artful twist of hidden race animus into slogans such as "law and order," "crime in the streets," "welfare cheats," and "absentee fathers." These were all carefully crafted to punch the anger and frustration of many whites at blacks without getting the muck of racism on their hands.
The GOP also sensed that racial sloganeering and race baiting could work by playing on the false fear of blue collar white males that they were losing ground to minorities and women in the workplace, schools, and in society. The main culprit was always the big, intrusive federal government that tilted unfairly in spending priorities toward social programs that benefited minorities at the expense of hard working white males. This, of course, translates out to even more fear, rage and distrust of minorities. The venerable blend of race and anti-government politics has been on textbook display in the health care reform battle.
The racial assault by droves of taxpayer marchers was simply the latest in the racial pillorying of Obama. There are dozens of active anti-Obama websites. All are stuffed with demeaning racist cartoons, depictions, characterizations and racially poisonous verbal bashes and attacks.
It was perhaps fitting that many taxpayer marchers turned South Carolina Congressman Joe "You Lie" Wilson into a near mythical folk hero. There were buttons and banners backslapping Wilson for hitting back at Obama. But long before Wilson's blasphemous outburst at Obama during his congressional speech on health care reform, he cut his teeth battling hard to beat back the NAACP challenge to remove the Confederate flag from its long standing perch at the front of the South Carolina state capitol building.
Wilson's proud battle to preserve, as he proudly noted, the flag that typifies "our heritage" is par for the course for GOP racist-tinged politics in South Carolina. And Wilson swims squarely in the mainstream of that brand of race politics with other GOP politicians in the state. On September 12, he had good company from legions of taxpayer marchers.
Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His forthcoming book, How Obama Governed: The Year of Crisis and Challenge (Middle Passage Press) will be released in January, 2010. |
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coastie
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Ofari_Hutchinson
not too surprising that he'd make a racial deal of it.
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His 1996 "Betrayed: The Presidential Failure to Protect Black Lives" contributed to publicizing the 1964 murders of two African American teenagers by Ku Klux Klansman James Ford Seale[1]; Seale was eventually tried and convicted, and in August 2007 he was sentenced to three consecutive life terms.
Yeah, sounds like he's done a great job uncovering real racism. Of course, you probably would have taken the stand to defend your right-wing brother, Mr. Seale.
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coastie:
| Quote: | | not too surprising that he'd make a racial deal of it. |
The racial deal was made be the sigh carrying people at the march.
Don't you think racism should be pointed out and fought coastie?
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SkygreenLeopard
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| Outsider wrote: | coastie:
| Quote: | | not too surprising that he'd make a racial deal of it. |
The racial deal was made be the sigh carrying people at the march.
Don't you think racism should be pointed out and fought coastie? |
Absolutely not, because in the neo-con fantasy world, the only racism that exists is racism against white males.
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Outsider wrote:
| Quote: | coastie:
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not too surprising that he'd make a racial deal of it.
The racial deal was made be the sigh carrying people at the march.
Don't you think racism should be pointed out and fought coastie? |
I guess SAR felt like answering for me, so he wrote:
"""Absolutely not, because in the neo-con fantasy world, the only racism that exists is racism against white males."""
Answering for myself, of course racism should be pointed out and fought.
But... Any disagreement with Obama and his policies is not racism. There are those, including I believe SAR, that feel that if you don't agree with everything Obama wants or proposes, you are a racist. There were marchers carrying signs that said that they were concerned about their childrens/grandchildren inheriting all the debt. They're racist???
That's like saying that every black person that opposed Bush policies was a racist. Is that the case??
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Outsider, please tell us where the racism exists. What signs, slogans are racist, and why?
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jhofficial
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| lemontrail wrote: | | Outsider, please tell us where the racism exists. What signs, slogans are racist, and why? |
Do you need people to tell you everything? Think for yourself. How about you tell us something worthwhile for a change.
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lemontrail
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| jhofficial wrote: | | lemontrail wrote: | | Outsider, please tell us where the racism exists. What signs, slogans are racist, and why? |
Do you need people to tell you everything? Think for yourself. How about you tell us something worthwhile for a change. |
I cannot speak for outsider, jh. I do not know what he/she believes to be racist, nor am I arrogant enough to assume that I know.
I disagree that the tea party was a racist rally of minority-Obama-liberal hating whites. In order to have informed discussion on the issue, I have asked outsider what about these protesters, posters, rally cries, etc. does he/she perceive to be racist. With that said, lets allow outsider to respond and speak for his/her-self.
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lemontrail:
| Quote: | I cannot speak for outsider, jh. I do not know what he/she believes to be racist, nor am I arrogant enough to assume that I know.
I disagree that the tea party was a racist rally of minority-Obama-liberal hating whites. In order to have informed discussion on the issue, I have asked outsider what about these protesters, posters, rally cries, etc. does he/she perceive to be racist. With that said, lets allow outsider to respond and speak for his/her-self.
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Read my quote from Hutchinson again. Look at photo's and sighs of the march, check out the photo's on this web site and elsewhere. Yes, racism was on the march. Anyone that cannot see the racism on display is not looking and seeing the facts and evidence of it all around them in my opinion, and any further explanation wouldn't make any difference.
I've been around long enough to have seen more than my share of ugly racism on full display, time and time again. It hurts our friends, our familes, our children, our neighbors and our country and it's wrong!!!!
More evidence here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/12/912-signs/
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DirtyWater
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How sad that some are so blinded by color and determined to play the race card every hand cannot see that some of us are quite concerned at the burgeoning federal debt, soon to double under the current administration. I am more upset with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd and the rest of the left wing (white) loonies than Obama. At least he said what he intended to do to us. Yeah, he said he'd spread the wealth.
The head in the sand race baiters and Marxists gave him a 2+ percentage point victory, which he has taken as a mandate to fundamentally change this country. For me, the changes are not for the better. However, I spent my life working and paying my bills. Had I had the opportunity to suck at the government teat and watch Oprah, I may have had a different outlook, as apparently some hereon have.
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dirtywater:
| Quote: | | How sad that some are so blinded by color and determined to play the race card every hand cannot see that some of us are quite concerned at the burgeoning federal debt, soon to double under the current administration. |
If they don't want the race card played, then stop playing the race posters.
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lemontrail
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| Outsider wrote: | lemontrail:
| Quote: | I cannot speak for outsider, jh. I do not know what he/she believes to be racist, nor am I arrogant enough to assume that I know.
I disagree that the tea party was a racist rally of minority-Obama-liberal hating whites. In order to have informed discussion on the issue, I have asked outsider what about these protesters, posters, rally cries, etc. does he/she perceive to be racist. With that said, lets allow outsider to respond and speak for his/her-self.
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Read my quote from Hutchinson again. Look at photo's and sighs of the march, check out the photo's on this web site and elsewhere. Yes, racism was on the march. Anyone that cannot see the racism on display is not looking and seeing the facts and evidence of it all around them in my opinion, and any further explanation wouldn't make any difference.
I've been around long enough to have seen more than my share of ugly racism on full display, time and time again. It hurts our friends, our familes, our children, our neighbors and our country and it's wrong!!!!
More evidence here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/12/912-signs/ |
I've seen the photos and signs carried by protesters. I do not perceive them as being racist. I was wondering exactly what about these signs did you consider racist?
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lemontrail:
| Quote: | | I've seen the photos and signs carried by protesters. I do not perceive them as being racist. I was wondering exactly what about these signs did you consider racist? |
I wrote:
| Quote: | | Anyone that cannot see the racism on display is not looking and seeing the facts and evidence of it all around them in my opinion, and any further explanation wouldn't make any difference. |
I guess it's in the eye's of the beholder.
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Barack Obama Joker socialism poster denounced as racist
A poster depicting President Barack Obama as Heath Ledger's "Joker" character from "The Dark Knight" has sparked controversy after it appeared on the streets of Los Angeles.
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Published: 6:37PM BST 04 Aug 2009
Barack Obama Joker socialism poster denounced as racist
It is unknown who created and distributed the image, which some believe has racial overtones because it shows Mr Obama as a black-and-white minstrel in reverse Photo: TIM STEWART
The poster shows the US president with white face paint, dark eye shadow and smudged red lipstick above the caption "socialism", in an apparent attack on the US president's efforts to reform health care and stimulus spending.
It is unknown who created and distributed the image, which some believe has racial overtones because it shows Mr Obama as a black-and-white minstrel in reverse.
Earl Ofari Hutchinson, president of the Los Angeles Urban Policy Roundtable, denounced the image and called on those behind it to reveal themselves. "Depicting the president as demonic and a socialist goes beyond political spoofery.
"It is mean-spirited and dangerous.
"We have issued a public challenge to the person or group that put up the poster to come forth and publicly tell why they have used this offensive depiction to ridicule President Obama."
A stark visual contrast to Shepard Fairey's popular red, white and blue image of the president-elect featuring the caption "hope", the "socialism" image has appeared as Mr Obama is facing a growing swell of criticism as he attempts to force through his $1 trillion health care programme.
The "socialism" poster has spread virally across the internet, crashing the website that first displayed images of it and rising to the top of Google's "Today's Hot Trends" list. Paper versions also appear to be spreading, with some showing up in Atlanta, Georgia.
Some Right-wing commentators have seized approvingly on the image. Thomas Lifson wrote on the conservative American Thinker website: "It is starting. Open mockery of Barack Obama, as disillusionment sets in with the man, his policies, and the phony image of a race-healing, brilliant, scholarly, middle-of-the-roader."
The liberal tabloid "LA Weekly", which depicted George W. Bush, the former president, as Dracula on its cover in 2004, denounced the Obama-Joker poster as virulently racist.
"It has a bit of everything to appeal to the drunk tank of California conservatism: Obama is in white face, his mouth (like Ledger's Joker's) has been grotesquely slit wide open and the word 'Socialism' appears below his face," wrote its blogger Steven Mikulan. "The only thing missing is a noose."
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DirtyWater
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| Outsider wrote: | dirtywater:
| Quote: | | How sad that some are so blinded by color and determined to play the race card every hand cannot see that some of us are quite concerned at the burgeoning federal debt, soon to double under the current administration. |
If they don't want the race card played, then stop playing the race posters.  |
My poster said 'STOP SPENDING'. My wife's poster said 'SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES'. If that's racist, you win.
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| DirtyWater wrote: |
My poster said 'STOP SPENDING'. My wife's poster said 'SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES'. If that's racist, you win. |
Stop spending? So what spending should they stop? Should the government remove it's hands from education? Should we stop filling potholes and paving roads? What spending are you referring to? Be a bit more specific.
As for small businesses, read here:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/SmallBusinessFINAL.pdf
| Quote: | Barack Obama and Joe Biden understand that the skyrocketing cost of healthcare poses a serious competitive threat to America’s small
businesses. Small businesses are the drivers of job growth in our economy, creating, on average, more than two thirds of net new jobs each year. Yet small business owners face unique challenges in providing health care to their employees, including higher administrative costs, lower bargaining power, greater price volatility and fewer pooling options. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will reduce the burden on small businesses in our economy by offering a new Small Business Health Tax Credit to help small businesses provide quality health care to their employees. The Obama Small Business Health Tax Credit will provide a refundable credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees. |
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Don't think that is racism, sounds like freedom of speech
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coastie
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I guess racism is in the eye of the beholder. The problem is some of those that are beholding, see racisim in anything. They see racism in anything that disagrees with their thoughts. They see racism in anyone that speaks out (and signs are speaking out) in opposition to the administration.
You don't like all this deficit spending proposed by Barack Obama? Well, that's because he's black and you're a racist.
You don't want government health insurance - well, that means you're a racist.
I've seen the "race card" pulled at many levels in my lifetime. This beats all.
Anything anyone (make that any white person) says in disagreement to anything that the Obama administration proposes is a racist because he's black.
Give me a break.
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coastie:
| Quote: | | Anything anyone (make that any white person) says in disagreement to anything that the Obama administration proposes is a racist because he's black |
That statement is simply not true.
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SkygreenLeopard
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| coastie wrote: | I guess racism is in the eye of the beholder. The problem is some of those that are beholding, see racisim in anything. They see racism in anything that disagrees with their thoughts. They see racism in anyone that speaks out (and signs are speaking out) in opposition to the administration.
You don't like all this deficit spending proposed by Barack Obama? Well, that's because he's black and you're a racist.
You don't want government health insurance - well, that means you're a racist.
I've seen the "race card" pulled at many levels in my lifetime. This beats all.
Anything anyone (make that any white person) says in disagreement to anything that the Obama administration proposes is a racist because he's black.
Give me a break. |
I don't believe any of us are making the case that the majority of the teabaggers are protesting due to racist beliefs, we're just calling attention to the fact that these protests are most definitely drawing the shadier elements of the fringe-right into the light.
That's the difference, I can tell that many of these people aren't racist, in fact the majority of them aren't. But for you guys, there's no middle ground. If we call attention to one racist, it must mean we're calling you all racist (obviously incorrect), which then means any other assertion we make regarding the protests must also be misguided.
Sneaky tactics!
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Dirtywater:
| Quote: | | Had I had the opportunity to suck at the government teat and watch Oprah, I may have had a different outlook, as apparently some hereon have. |
Referring to whom on here? What does Oprah have to do with it?
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Speaking of the race card:
Punish Joe Wilson Or KKK Will Ride Again!
You would think the Democrats would learn, but that seems to be something to which they're immune. I've come to believe that overreaching is in their DNA.
As you know, they've tried everything they know to do to capitalize on the fact that Joe Wilson yelled "you lie" at Barack Obama during his speech before Congress last week. It was inappropriate. Everyone agrees. Wilson said so in his apology to President Obama. President Obama graciously accepted his apology.
End of story?
Of course not. The 5th graders who inhabit our Congress (and that's true of both sides, but in this case it is decidedly about the Democrats) have decided that isn't enough. So they're now embroiled in a fight to pass a "resolution of disapproval" in the House because Wilson is of the opinion the apology he issued immediately after the event to the president was sufficient and he's not about to repeat it on the floor of the House.
Not good enough, the Dems say. And to add fuel to the fire, we get this dopey statement from Georgia's own Hank Johnson, who I once thought was a fairly sane replacement for Cynthia McKinney:
Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst last week is drawing new recriminations from his colleagues, with a member of the Congressional Black Caucus suggesting that a failure to rebuke Wilson is tantamount to supporting the most blatant form of organized racism in American history.
In an obvious reference to the KKK, Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., said Tuesday that people will put on "white hoods and ride through the countryside" if emerging racist attitudes, which he says were subtly supported by Wilson, are not rebuked. He said Wilson must be disciplined as an example.
Ride through the countryside with white hoods? Good lord. The race card is again played - and badly.
Maybe it's the water in the district, but he's sounds as batty as McKinney right now. "White hoods" indeed.
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jhofficial
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Do the Dems forget who and what Robert Byrd was?
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lemontrail
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The NeoLibs don't have much of anything left to hold on to right now except the race card. Many of their own rank and file have expressed regrets for casting their vote for Obama and they're scattering. If the race baiters can conjure up the big white boogey-man who hates Chairman Maobama based solely on the color of their skin then perhaps they can stir their voter base into some sort of action. Good old simple fear mongering.
There is nothing overtly racist about Obama-Joker posters crying socialism. There is nothing racist about dirtywaters signs, nothing racist abaout Maobama in a Che beret. NeoLibs are grasping at straws. Anything to help save the slowly falling house of cards they built. The Obamessiah has shown himself to be nothing more than what he is... a bafoon in president's clothing(which isn't a far stretch from the Shrub).
**Disclaimer: This is solely the opinion of lemontrail. Don't ask for evidence to prove it as I'm not going to go dig any up. It is what it is and nothing more.**
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[quote="lemontrail"]The NeoLibs don't have much of anything left to hold on to right now except the race card. Many of their own rank and file have expressed regrets for casting their vote for Obama and they're scattering. If the race baiters can conjure up the big white boogey-man who hates Chairman Maobama based solely on the color of their skin then perhaps they can stir their voter base into some sort of action. Good old simple fear mongering.
There is nothing overtly racist about Obama-Joker posters crying socialism. There is nothing racist about dirtywaters signs, nothing racist abaout Maobama in a Che beret. NeoLibs are grasping at straws. Anything to help save the slowly falling house of cards they built. The Obamessiah has shown himself to be nothing more than what he is... a bafoon in president's clothing(which isn't a far stretch from the Shrub).
[b]**Disclaimer: This is solely the opinion of lemontrail. Don't ask for evidence to prove it as I'm not going to go dig any up. It is what it is and nothing more.**[/quote[/b]]
Glad to see you are learning
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lemontrail wrote:
| Quote: | The NeoLibs don't have much of anything left to hold on to right now except the race card. Many of their own rank and file have expressed regrets for casting their vote for Obama and they're scattering. If the race baiters can conjure up the big white boogey-man who hates Chairman Maobama based solely on the color of their skin then perhaps they can stir their voter base into some sort of action. Good old simple fear mongering.
There is nothing overtly racist about Obama-Joker posters crying socialism. There is nothing racist about dirtywaters signs, nothing racist abaout Maobama in a Che beret. NeoLibs are grasping at straws. Anything to help save the slowly falling house of cards they built. The Obamessiah has shown himself to be nothing more than what he is... a bafoon in president's clothing(which isn't a far stretch from the Shrub).
**Disclaimer: This is solely the opinion of lemontrail. Don't ask for evidence to prove it as I'm not going to go dig any up. It is what it is and nothing more.** |
I noticed you used the words "nothing overtly" in your post, indicating that you are aware that there are other forms of racism. That's a good thing.
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lemontrail
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| Outsider wrote: | lemontrail wrote:
| Quote: | The NeoLibs don't have much of anything left to hold on to right now except the race card. Many of their own rank and file have expressed regrets for casting their vote for Obama and they're scattering. If the race baiters can conjure up the big white boogey-man who hates Chairman Maobama based solely on the color of their skin then perhaps they can stir their voter base into some sort of action. Good old simple fear mongering.
There is nothing overtly racist about Obama-Joker posters crying socialism. There is nothing racist about dirtywaters signs, nothing racist abaout Maobama in a Che beret. NeoLibs are grasping at straws. Anything to help save the slowly falling house of cards they built. The Obamessiah has shown himself to be nothing more than what he is... a bafoon in president's clothing(which isn't a far stretch from the Shrub).
**Disclaimer: This is solely the opinion of lemontrail. Don't ask for evidence to prove it as I'm not going to go dig any up. It is what it is and nothing more.** |
I noticed you used the words "nothing overtly" in your post, indicating that you are aware that there are other forms of racism. That's a good thing.
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Please tell me 'O sage, what other forms of racism are there? I can hardly contain myself.
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| Quote: | | Please tell me 'O sage, what other forms of racism are there? I can hardly contain myself. |
The word "subtle" comes to mind. No need to contain yourself. Let er rip!
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coastie
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/e...er-wilsons-outburst-based-racism/
Ol Jimmy (how surprising) is jumping on the racism bandwagon.
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Ol Jimmy knows a little something about racism. He's been on the bandwagon fighting it most of his long and honorable life. If you care to see a man of character speaking the truth about race in this country,
go to>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqgxaMOb_Oc
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THE CURE
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You're right coaste. George Bush took the title!
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DirtyWater
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To SARfirst of all, the issue was whether our signs were racist. You couldn't admit that they were not, so you asked where I'd like to stop spending. As a typical liberal progressive Marxist, you suggested roads. As much as I hate to even reply to your taunting tactics, here's a list of wasted money from the stimulus bill. And yes, it's a cut and paste, because you're not worth the effort for me to do more than a few seconds research.
1. $1.5 million in “free” stimulus money for a new wastewater treatment plant results in higher utility costs for residents of Perkins, Oklahoma.
2. $1 billion for FutureGen in Mattoon, Illinois is the “biggest earmark of all time” for a power plant that may never work.
3. $15 million for “shovel-ready” repairs to little-used bridges in rural Wisconsin are given priority over widely used bridges that are structurally deficient.
4. $800,000 for little-used John Murtha Airport in Johnstown, Pennsylvania airport to repave a back-up runway; the ‘Airport for Nobody’ Has Already Received Tens of Millions in Taxpayer dollars.
5. $3.4 million for a wildlife “eco-passage” in Florida to take animals safely under a busy roadway.
6. Nevada non-profit gets $2 million weatherization contract after recently being fired for same type of work.
7. $1.15 million for installation of a new guard rail for the non-existent Optima Lake in Oklahoma.
8. Nearly $10 million to renovate an abandoned train station that hasn’t been used in 30 years.
9. 10,000 dead people get stimulus checks, but the Social Security Administration blames a tough deadline.
10. Town of Union, New York, encouraged to spend a $578,000 grant it did not request for a homelessness problem it claims it does not have.
But since they're so easy to find, how about these:
$2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.
$246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
$650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
$88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).
$448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.
$248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.
$600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.
$400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.
$1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.
$125 million for the Washington sewer system.
$150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.
$1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.
$75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
$200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
$75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.
$25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
$500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.
$10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.
$6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.
$500 million for state and local fire stations.
$650 million for wild land fire management on forest service lands.
$1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.
$88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.
$412 million for CDC buildings and property.
$500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.
$160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service.
$5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.
$850 million for Amtrak.
$100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
$75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.
$110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.
$200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations
That's over 124 BILLION dollars in pork. In the second list.
So YEAH, stop spending money borrowed from the ChiComs.
And tell me who decided they could count jobs SAVED?
I'm outa here. Arguing with fools only briefly amuses me.
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| DirtyWater wrote: | How sad that some are so blinded by color and determined to play the race card every hand cannot see that some of us are quite concerned at the burgeoning federal debt, soon to double under the current administration. I am more upset with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd and the rest of the left wing (white) loonies than Obama. At least he said what he intended to do to us. Yeah, he said he'd spread the wealth.
The head in the sand race baiters and Marxists gave him a 2+ percentage point victory, which he has taken as a mandate to fundamentally change this country. For me, the changes are not for the better. However, I spent my life working and paying my bills. Had I had the opportunity to suck at the government teat and watch Oprah, I may have had a different outlook, as apparently some hereon have. |
I'm not sure what math you're using but 69,457,000 to 59,934,814 doesn't equate to a 2+ percentage point victory. I guess it's the same math that you used to "count" 2 million people at the tea party in Washington. You might not like arguing with fools but you sure must like hanging around them. See ya!
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dirtywater:
| Quote: | | first of all, the issue was whether our signs were racist. You couldn't admit that they were not, so you asked where I'd like to stop spending. |
SAR wrote:
| Quote: | I don't believe any of us are making the case that the majority of the teabaggers are protesting due to racist beliefs, we're just calling attention to the fact that these protests are most definitely drawing the shadier elements of the fringe-right into the light.
That's the difference, I can tell that many of these people aren't racist, in fact the majority of them aren't. But for you guys, there's no middle ground. If we call attention to one racist, it must mean we're calling you all racist (obviously incorrect), which then means any other assertion we make regarding the protests must also be misguided.
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dirtywater:
| Quote: | I'm outa here. Arguing with fools only briefly amuses me.
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Sorry you feel that way dirtywater. Hopefully you will find that "middle ground" SAR mentions and stay.
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jhofficial
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Obama disagrees with Jimmy Carter on race issue
By Steve Holland Steve Holland
Wed Sep 16, 3:43 pm ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama's spokesman publicly disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter on Wednesday over Carter's contention that some conservative opposition to Obama is based on race.
"The president does not think it is based on the color of his skin," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters.
Carter injected race into Obama's struggle for a healthcare overhaul after South Carolina Republican Representative Joe Wilson shouted "You lie" at Obama during a healthcare speech in Congress last week and thousands of conservatives rallied opposition to Obama at demonstrations in Washington.
"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man," Carter told NBC News.
He said this "racism inclination still exists. And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of the belief among many white people, not just in the South but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply."
Carter's remark drew the condemnation of Michael Steele, the first African-American to become chairman of the Republican National Committee.
"President Carter is flat out wrong. This isn't about race. It is about policy," he said in a statement. "This is a pathetic distraction by Democrats to shift attention away from the president's wildly unpopular government-run healthcare plan that the American people simply oppose."
Obama, America's first black president, was steering clear of the issue, weeks after he injected himself into a debate about race in Massachusetts after black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates was arrested at his own home on suspicion of breaking into it.
After Obama created an uproar by saying that Cambridge, Massachusetts, police had acted stupidly in the case, he later expressed regret for the tone of his remarks and had the professor and police officer to the White House for a beer in what was dubbed a "beer summit."
Gibbs said the uproar among Obama's opponents was more likely a reaction to some of the decisions Obama had made to help the U.S. economy, such as bank and auto bailouts.
"We understand that people have disagreements with some of the decisions that we've made," he said.
(Editing by Peter Cooney)
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THE CURE
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Leave it to the President to be gracious even to the backwoods rednecks that former President Carter was referring to.
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| THE CURE wrote: | | Leave it to the President to be gracious even to the backwoods rednecks that former President Carter was referring to. |
So he doesn't belivie what he had his people put out? So he lied, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
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THE CURE
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Whatever you say jh.
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jhofficial
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| THE CURE wrote: | Whatever you say jh.  |
I didnt say it. You said he lied. Can we get a rebuke for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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coastie
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We would be more than willing to welcome cap-and-trade with open arms, even if we paid a thousand dollars or more extra every year for our energy use, if Barack Obama were only white.
We would be dancing in the streets celebrating the dawning of government control of our health care if only Barack Obama were white.
It would be just dandy if government bureaucrats rationed health care for our parents, as long as the president is white.
We would jump at the chance of the government owning ALL of the auto manufacturing companies .. not just General Motors ... if the president just didn't have dark skin.
We would applaud those ACORN workers giving tax avoidance advice to a pimp and his prostitute if the workers hadn't been black.
Most Americans - even ones that don't pay income taxes now - would be more than willing to give 70% of everything they earn to the federal government when asked ... so long as they are asked by a white president.
We would have been thrilled, I tell you ... THRILLED to have all of those Islamic goons being held at Guantanamo be not only released, but sent to be school resource officers at our local government schools, if only a white president put that plan in motion.
It would be OK if a white president stood back and allowed Iran to build its coveted nukes ... we're only unhappy about that because a black president is doing it.
Deficits? We don't care about deficits! Make our children and grand children and great grand children pay through the nose for our president's spending habits ... just so long as the president isn't black.
Government pork? Like we actually care? Look ... you folks in Washington can spend all the money you want - how about more studies of the mating habits of Polish Zlotnika pigs? - just make sure it's not a black president who signs the spending bill into law.
We wouldn't care if all illegal aliens were counted twice in the next Census ... just so long as the president isn't black.
Those Black Panther thugs who threatened voters in Philly? The ONLY reason we're upset that they were given a pass is because Barack Obama is black.
Every single member of the president's cabinet could be a tax cheat as far as we're concerned ... just so long as the president is white.
Forced unionization? Bring it on! We love card check! We love the idea of union goons threatening and intimidating workers to sign a card saying they want to belong to a union! What we don't like is that a black president is pushing this idea.
Single-party talks with that Gargoyle that runs North Korea? It's about time we legitimized that little pipsqueak. We're only mildly upset here because the person who is doing that happens to be black.
More regulation of the finance sector? We could care less! For all we care you can nationalize the banks and decree that only the government can make home loans .. .and you can even apportion those home loans on the basis of race if you want to ... just so long as the president is white!
Minimum wage? Like we care about that? Raise it to $15 an hour if you want! Just give us our white president back.
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coastie wrote:
| Quote: | | Minimum wage? Like we care about that? Raise it to $15 an hour if you want! Just give us our white president back. |
The big picture in pretty clear. The far right thought they were getting the American People in lock step with their ideology and that it would always be that way. But since that is not in the cards they are mad as ... about any policy or anyone that's not buying that line of thinking. Racism is just a part of that big picture, but it is undeniably a part.
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THE CURE
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| jhofficial wrote: | | THE CURE wrote: | Whatever you say jh.  |
I didnt say it. You said he lied. Can we get a rebuke for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I said who lied?
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lemontrail
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| coastie wrote: | We would be more than willing to welcome cap-and-trade with open arms, even if we paid a thousand dollars or more extra every year for our energy use, if Barack Obama were only white.
We would be dancing in the streets celebrating the dawning of government control of our health care if only Barack Obama were white.
It would be just dandy if government bureaucrats rationed health care for our parents, as long as the president is white.
We would jump at the chance of the government owning ALL of the auto manufacturing companies .. not just General Motors ... if the president just didn't have dark skin.
We would applaud those ACORN workers giving tax avoidance advice to a pimp and his prostitute if the workers hadn't been black.
Most Americans - even ones that don't pay income taxes now - would be more than willing to give 70% of everything they earn to the federal government when asked ... so long as they are asked by a white president.
We would have been thrilled, I tell you ... THRILLED to have all of those Islamic goons being held at Guantanamo be not only released, but sent to be school resource officers at our local government schools, if only a white president put that plan in motion.
It would be OK if a white president stood back and allowed Iran to build its coveted nukes ... we're only unhappy about that because a black president is doing it.
Deficits? We don't care about deficits! Make our children and grand children and great grand children pay through the nose for our president's spending habits ... just so long as the president isn't black.
Government pork? Like we actually care? Look ... you folks in Washington can spend all the money you want - how about more studies of the mating habits of Polish Zlotnika pigs? - just make sure it's not a black president who signs the spending bill into law.
We wouldn't care if all illegal aliens were counted twice in the next Census ... just so long as the president isn't black.
Those Black Panther thugs who threatened voters in Philly? The ONLY reason we're upset that they were given a pass is because Barack Obama is black.
Every single member of the president's cabinet could be a tax cheat as far as we're concerned ... just so long as the president is white.
Forced unionization? Bring it on! We love card check! We love the idea of union goons threatening and intimidating workers to sign a card saying they want to belong to a union! What we don't like is that a black president is pushing this idea.
Single-party talks with that Gargoyle that runs North Korea? It's about time we legitimized that little pipsqueak. We're only mildly upset here because the person who is doing that happens to be black.
More regulation of the finance sector? We could care less! For all we care you can nationalize the banks and decree that only the government can make home loans .. .and you can even apportion those home loans on the basis of race if you want to ... just so long as the president is white!
Minimum wage? Like we care about that? Raise it to $15 an hour if you want! Just give us our white president back. |
I love it, coastie!
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THE CURE
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I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with the President's policies coastie but if you think those signs that the tea baggers were carrying weren't racist you're in denial.
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coastie
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cure wrote:
| Quote: | don't have a problem with people not agreeing with the President's policies coastie but if you think those signs that the tea baggers were carrying weren't racist you're in denial.
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That's part of the problem right there, Cure. You say "those signs that the tea baggers were carrying weren't racist you're in denial" .... Every one of the signs, Cure? ... Some of the signs could be perceived as racist by some. Other signs were perfectly legitimate concerns. Those on the left chose only to photograph the one's they thought would bolster their argument of racism. If those are the only signs posted, one would think - wow - what a bunch of whack-jobs.
I wish you'd said "I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with the President's policies coastie but if you think that some[b] of those signs that the tea baggers were carrying weren't racist you're in denial" ...
Come to think of it, maybe those weren't teabaggers carrying the questionable signs. Ever think of that? Perhaps they were far-left loons that knew that, in the crowd, everyone would think they were teabaggers.
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THE CURE
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I was talking about the signs that were posted on this site earlier coastie. I'm sorry I wasn't more specific.
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coastie
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ok, gotcha.
think you're referring to the signs depicted in this thread.
http://rorap.net/The_quot_Million_Moron_March_quot__about5058.html
Started by a fair and balanced SAR. Those outlandish signs were very obviously cherrypicked from the thousands of signs for the purpose of inflaming the left, don't you think?
Any big protest in DC has it's share of fringe protesters on both the far far left and the far far right.
And I do agree with you, many of those signs were totally inappropriate.
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coastie wrote:
| Quote: | | And I do agree with you, many of those signs were totally inappropriate. |
And I agree that other signs were totally appropriate. Maybe this thread can wound down on that positive note.
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| THE CURE wrote: | | I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with the President's policies coastie but if you think those signs that the tea baggers were carrying weren't racist you're in denial. |
And you and outsider are delusional.
Hell, Chairman Maobama came right out and said that Carter was wrong, and that the teabaggers and their protests are not racially motivated. Geez, your Obamessiah has spoken... you ought to obey lest he send a plague of WH czars to infest your home.
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LT wrote:
| Quote: | | And you and outsider are delusional. |
Whatever. Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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