flyupsidedown
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There are moderate muslims but no moderate islamhttp://www.internationalfreepress...-wilders-speech-in-beverly-hills/
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lemontrail
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The 5 surahs Wilders uses are taken out of context and translations are not accurate. As far as Islam is concerned, it is no different that any other religion that is susceptible to radicalization such as Christianity and Judaism. Wonder how many innocents have been killed by radical Christianity?
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flyupsidedown
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That is a silly notion. I wonder how many innocents have been killed by radical love?
Islam does not need radicalizing. It is already radicalized to its core. It is an ideology of world conquest and nothing else. Jesus in contrast stated his kingdom is not of this world. You need to do some research before you shoot half cocked, half-baked statements about islam.
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lemontrail
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| Quote: | That is a silly notion. I wonder how many innocents have been killed by radical love?
Islam does not need radicalizing. It is already radicalized to its core. It is an ideology of world conquest and nothing else. Jesus in contrast stated his kingdom is not of this world. |
Wrong again flyboy.
Jewish pogroms
Crusades
Inquest
Witch hunts
Sound familiar? Christianity's hands are far from clean, past or present. Face it, Christians aren't very Christ-like. If one takes an objective look at American and European history it isn't hard to miss. Does Christianity have the potential to promote peace and love... yes. Has it? No, it has failed miserably to promote the very ideal it claims it embodies. As a Christian apologist objectivism isn't part of your repetoire.
Besides, Jesus didn't found Christianity, men did. Fallable men.
| Quote: | You need to do some research before you shoot half cocked, half-baked statements about islam.
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And again, wrong. Perhaps you should take your own advice, do the research yourself, and stop regurgitating the same tired old rhetoric like the good little Neocon mouthpiece that you are. Think for yourself, boy.
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SkygreenLeopard
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| lemontrail wrote: | | Quote: | That is a silly notion. I wonder how many innocents have been killed by radical love?
Islam does not need radicalizing. It is already radicalized to its core. It is an ideology of world conquest and nothing else. Jesus in contrast stated his kingdom is not of this world. |
Wrong again flyboy.
Jewish pogroms
Crusades
Inquest
Witch hunts
Sound familiar?
Besides, Jesus didn't found Christianity, men did. Fallable men.
| Quote: | You need to do some research before you shoot half cocked, half-baked statements about islam.
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And again, wrong. Perhaps you should take your own advice, do the research yourself, and stop regurgitating the same tired old rhetoric like the good little Neocon mouthpiece that you are. Think for yourself, boy. |
Here's a prediction on his response.
"The crusades were a Catholic thing. "
"Catholicism isn't christianity"
"blah blah blah blah blah."
But true, not even counting the stuff that happened more than 50 years ago, EVERY religion, I don't care if it's christianity, islam, hinduism...etc (with the possible exception of buhddism) is a man-made institution used to justify greed, bigotry, hate, war, genocide, discrimination of every kind, close-mindedness, ignorance...etc etc etc.
I don't care how much so-called "good" religious people claim their cults do in the world, the evil FAR outweighs any positive effects. I know it won't be in my lifetime(thanks, bible-belt  ), but I dream of a religion-free, reason-based world. We need an Emancipation Proclamation for our minds!
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flyupsidedown
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Wrong again lemonbrain.
Jewish pogroms, Crusades, Inquest, Witch hunts have nothing to do with Christianity. Nowhere did Jesus teach, encourage, assuage or even hint at such behavior. In fact He taught if you hated a person in your heart you would be held accountable as if you murdered.
lemonsauce: | Quote: | | Sound familiar? Christianity's hands are far from clean, past or present. Face it, Christians aren't very Christ-like. If one takes an objective look at American and European history it isn't hard to miss. Does Christianity have the potential to promote peace and love... yes. Has it? No, it has failed miserably to promote the very ideal it claims it embodies. As a Christian apologist objectivism isn't part of your repetoire. |
Don't be a bozo lemoninski, your logic is so faulty as to be, well, childish. Kind of cute except it comes from a grown person who should know better. There are crooked businessmen everywhere, therefore all businessmen are crooked. There are lying politicians, therefore politicians are all liars. There are pedophile teachers, therefore all teachers are pedophiles. Your logic is the same. The violence and murder and persecution you associate with being a follower of Jesus are as foreign to "Christianity" as ice on the sun. You are either willfully ignorant or woefully so.
| Quote: | | Besides, Jesus didn't found Christianity, men did. Fallable men. |
Oh really? Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" . . . no man comes to the Father (God) except through me." Jesus taught men how to follow after him and comanded them to go into all the world and preach the news of God's forgiveness through His sacrifice.
Jesus didn't leave any wiggle room. All of mankind will be judged, not on what they did, but on whether they believed this man or not. We have all sinned and do sin but escaping the judgement of rejecting God become man become savior will determine our destiny whether one believes it or not. As one man put it, Jesus is either Lord, liar or a lunatic. There are no other options.
Islam as it's founder was a man of war and violence and murder. Converting through forced conversions or death he built the foundation upon fear and intimidation. That much has not changed. You need to read more than pro islamic propaganda. Name one Islamic country governed by sharia law where freedom prevails. Just one. Your defense of Islam is almost idiotic, sort of like defending nazi's or white supremists both of which want it there way and no other.
Pedophilia & Islam: Allowed by Allah; Practised & Patronized by Prophet Muhammad
http://islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhme...ed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm
Here is a site where you can by a book called The Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran. You might start your education there. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/robert-spencer-the-complete-infidels-guide-to-the-koran.html
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lemontrail
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| Quote: | | Jewish pogroms, Crusades, Inquest, Witch hunts have nothing to do with Christianity. |
Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam.
| Quote: | | Nowhere did Jesus teach, encourage, assuage or even hint at such behavior. |
This is what he taught:
Matt. 10:14-15
"And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town."
Mark 3:29
"...whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness and is guilty of an eternal sin."
Luke 14:23:
Compel people to come in!' By threats of the wrath of God, the Father draws souls to the Son.
Jesus supports the ways of the OT:
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matthew 15:4
For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
I Corinthians 10:0
We should not test the Lord, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes
Matthew 10:34-36
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law 36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household
Oh my! Don’t ya just feel the love and peace.
| Quote: | Don't be a bozo lemoninski, your logic is so faulty as to be, well, childish. Kind of cute except it comes from a grown person who should know better. There are crooked businessmen everywhere, therefore all businessmen are crooked. There are lying politicians, therefore politicians are all liars. There are pedophile teachers, therefore all teachers are pedophiles. Your logic is the same. The violence and murder and persecution you associate with being a follower of Jesus are as foreign to "Christianity" as ice on the sun. You are either willfully ignorant or woefully so.
Non sequitur. This was never my premise
Oh really? Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" . . . no man comes to the Father (God) except through me." Jesus taught men how to follow after him and comanded them to go into all the world and preach the news of God's forgiveness through His sacrifice. . |
Um, yeah, really fly. Jesus didn’t create Christianity; fallible men did.
| Quote: | | Jesus didn't leave any wiggle room. All of mankind will be judged, not on what they did, but on whether they believed this man or not. We have all sinned and do sin but escaping the judgement of rejecting God become man become savior will determine our destiny whether one believes it or not. As one man put it, Jesus is either Lord, liar or a lunatic. There are no other options. |
And this is relevant to the discussion at hand because?
| Quote: | | Islam as it's founder was a man of war and violence and murder. Converting through forced conversions or death he built the foundation upon fear and intimidation. |
They got their cue from Christianity. Sorry, but Christendom wins the first-to-force- non-believers-to-convert-or face-death-persecution-and-violence award. Forced conversion under Christianity occurred as far back as St. Augustine’s cognite intrare. How’s this for fear and intimidation- Believe what I say or else I’m going to set you on fire forever. Nooooooooo, Christianity isn’t built on fear and intimidation at all, fly. Burning people is all about love. ROFLMAO!
| Quote: | | That much has not changed. You need to read more than pro islamic propaganda. Name one Islamic country governed by sharia law where freedom prevails. Just one. Your defense of Islam is almost idiotic, sort of like defending nazi's or white supremists both of which want it there way and no other. |
Your straw man argument doesn’t work fly, but then again you are prone to logical fallacies. Hell, I think you managed to combine 2 here: straw man AND another red herring! The topic isn’t freedom and Sharia coexisting, it’s the violent history of radicalized organized religions, most notably Christianity as well as Islam. But to be quite honest, I could care less that predominantly Muslim nations have chosen to govern themselves using Sharia law. The form of government SOVEREIGN nations have is none of my concern, nor is it within the realm of US authority.
| Quote: | Pedophilia & Islam: Allowed by Allah; Practised & Patronized by Prophet Muhammad
http://islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhme...ed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm
Here is a site where you can by a book called The Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran. You might start your education there. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/robert-spencer-the-complete-infidels-guide-to-the-koran.html |
Hmmmm, let’s have a look at some of Robert Spencer’s credentials:
Contributor to the NY Post, Wash Times, National Review, WorldNetDaily
an adjunct fellow with the Free Congress Foundation
David Horowitz crony
Advisor to CENTCOM
Front Page contributor
Frequent appears on Savage Nation, G. Gordon Liddy Show (he’s a known, convicted criminal), and the Vatican Radio (ROFL)
Please, everyone who thinks that Robert Spencer is capable of an objective study of the Koran and Islam, raise your hand.
No thanks. I’m quite comfortable with my degree and education.
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Don't be a bozo lemoninski your logic is so faulty as to be, well, childish
Your defense of Islam is almost idiotic,
You are either willfully ignorant or woefully so
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:21 pm
You guys go play with your tinker toys and pictorial characterizations that demonstrate you are hollow, self-inflated windbags
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:38 pm
You're an ignoramus if you can't see that much. |
And this makes it that much better:
| Quote: | Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:05 am
Instead of using the liberal tactic of belittling or denegrating something or someone because of their opposing viewpoint or political stand I would suggest actually investigating whether there is truth in part or whole on the subject. That is usually the intelligent thing to do. |
Um, practice what you preach fly. BTW, WWJD???
Christians are Christ-like... yeah, OK fly.
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flyupsidedown
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lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote.
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed.
For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings.
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lemontrail
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| flyupsidedown wrote: | | lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote. |
Yeah, sure fly. Of course it is. Difficult isn't it???
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
| Quote: | The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed. |
You really do make this $%^& up as you go along, don't you fly?
| Quote: | | For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. |
For the same reasons you choose to remain ignorant of Christianity?
| Quote: | | I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings. |
I didn't attempt to trash Mr. Spencer. I gave a list of credentials, and then made the observation that due to his affiliations and conservative bias I do not believe him capable of offering an objective view of Islam.
Anyway, I don't need to read Robert Spencer's interpretation. I have my own copy of the Koran.
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SkygreenLeopard
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| flyupsidedown wrote: | lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote.
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed.
For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings. |
Ohhhhh blah blah blah. You religious sorts are all the same. Blatant hypocrites. "OOoooooo those verses in my 'holy' book condoning rape, genocide, slavery, and violence are taken out of context! Waaaaaaaaaaah! Now let me tell you how evil every other religion is by doing the exact same thing!" It makes me sick.
Religion is a blight upon humanity, all religion. Can we please all just grow the hell up and start thinking like adults, please? Fairy tails are fun and all, but I'm a bit sick of the bickering.
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lemontrail
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| SunAlsoRises wrote: | | flyupsidedown wrote: | lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote.
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed.
For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings. |
Ohhhhh blah blah blah. You religious sorts are all the same. Blatant hypocrites. "OOoooooo those verses in my 'holy' book condoning rape, genocide, slavery, and violence are taken out of context! Waaaaaaaaaaah! Now let me tell you how evil every other religion is by doing the exact same thing!" It makes me sick.
Religion is a blight upon humanity, all religion. Can we please all just grow the hell up and start thinking like adults, please? Fairy tails are fun and all, but I'm a bit sick of the bickering. |
WOW, who wee-weed in you Fruity Pebbles this morning???
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SkygreenLeopard
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| lemontrail wrote: | | SunAlsoRises wrote: | | flyupsidedown wrote: | lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote.
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed.
For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings. |
Ohhhhh blah blah blah. You religious sorts are all the same. Blatant hypocrites. "OOoooooo those verses in my 'holy' book condoning rape, genocide, slavery, and violence are taken out of context! Waaaaaaaaaaah! Now let me tell you how evil every other religion is by doing the exact same thing!" It makes me sick.
Religion is a blight upon humanity, all religion. Can we please all just grow the hell up and start thinking like adults, please? Fairy tails are fun and all, but I'm a bit sick of the bickering. |
WOW, who wee-weed in you Fruity Pebbles this morning??? |
This morning? Try, religion has been "wee-weeing" in the world's cornflakes every day for thousands of years. It has to end.
People who live by reason have to stop pandering to the savages who justify these evil beliefs, the beliefs that cause massive amounts of suffering across the globe every day.
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jhofficial
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| SunAlsoRises wrote: | | lemontrail wrote: | | SunAlsoRises wrote: | | flyupsidedown wrote: | lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote.
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed.
For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings. |
Ohhhhh blah blah blah. You religious sorts are all the same. Blatant hypocrites. "OOoooooo those verses in my 'holy' book condoning rape, genocide, slavery, and violence are taken out of context! Waaaaaaaaaaah! Now let me tell you how evil every other religion is by doing the exact same thing!" It makes me sick.
Religion is a blight upon humanity, all religion. Can we please all just grow the hell up and start thinking like adults, please? Fairy tails are fun and all, but I'm a bit sick of the bickering. |
WOW, who wee-weed in you Fruity Pebbles this morning??? |
[i]This[/i] morning? Try, religion has been "wee-weeing" in the world's cornflakes every day for thousands of years. It has to end.
People who live by reason have to stop pandering to the savages who justify these evil beliefs, the beliefs that cause massive amounts of suffering across the globe every day. |
Oh it will end. When HE'S ready not you
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SkygreenLeopard
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| jhofficial wrote: | | SunAlsoRises wrote: | | lemontrail wrote: | | SunAlsoRises wrote: | | flyupsidedown wrote: | lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote.
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed.
For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings. |
Ohhhhh blah blah blah. You religious sorts are all the same. Blatant hypocrites. "OOoooooo those verses in my 'holy' book condoning rape, genocide, slavery, and violence are taken out of context! Waaaaaaaaaaah! Now let me tell you how evil every other religion is by doing the exact same thing!" It makes me sick.
Religion is a blight upon humanity, all religion. Can we please all just grow the hell up and start thinking like adults, please? Fairy tails are fun and all, but I'm a bit sick of the bickering. |
WOW, who wee-weed in you Fruity Pebbles this morning??? |
[i]This[/i] morning? Try, religion has been "wee-weeing" in the world's cornflakes every day for thousands of years. It has to end.
People who live by reason have to stop pandering to the savages who justify these evil beliefs, the beliefs that cause massive amounts of suffering across the globe every day. |
Oh it will end. When HE'S ready not you |
Please, you're the last person on here who should try defending such silly notions.
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jhofficial
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| SunAlsoRises wrote: | | jhofficial wrote: | | SunAlsoRises wrote: | | lemontrail wrote: | | SunAlsoRises wrote: | | flyupsidedown wrote: | lemonsqueeze: . . . too much irrelevant nonsense to requote.
| Quote: | | Then, by the same token, 9/11, the Madrid bombings, London bombings, first WTC attack, etc. have nothing to do with Islam. |
The scriptures you quoted were selectively out of context such as, For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
Jesus' intention was to drive home the point that all are guilty of transgressing the law. Period. Why? Because then one will see the need for God's mercy. This is why to those who could feel self-righteous by saying they hadn't murdered or commited adultery he provoked by stating if you hated or lusted in your heart you were guilty. His purpose was to become the sacrifice that satisfied God's righteousness, that the guilty would not go unpunished. Secondly, men needed to see they were in danger of God's judgement to be able to accept His safety from God's wrath to come. And it is still to come. That much has not changed.
For whatever your reasons, it is evident you choose to remain ignorant of islam. I didn't understand your apparent attempt to trash Robert Spencer whether that has any bearing on his scholarship I haven't the slightest idea because you didn't refute any of his writings. |
Ohhhhh blah blah blah. You religious sorts are all the same. Blatant hypocrites. "OOoooooo those verses in my 'holy' book condoning rape, genocide, slavery, and violence are taken out of context! Waaaaaaaaaaah! Now let me tell you how evil every other religion is by doing the exact same thing!" It makes me sick.
Religion is a blight upon humanity, all religion. Can we please all just grow the hell up and start thinking like adults, please? Fairy tails are fun and all, but I'm a bit sick of the bickering. |
WOW, who wee-weed in you Fruity Pebbles this morning??? |
[i]This[/i] morning? Try, religion has been "wee-weeing" in the world's cornflakes every day for thousands of years. It has to end.
People who live by reason have to stop pandering to the savages who justify these evil beliefs, the beliefs that cause massive amounts of suffering across the globe every day. |
Oh it will end. When HE'S ready not you |
Please, you're the last person on here who should try defending such silly notions. |
Meaning?
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SkygreenLeopard
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| jhofficial wrote: |
Meaning? |
Meaning, you're one of the best examples we have on the board of illogical beliefs and circular reasoning. You're only proving my own point.
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Outsider
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The search for some meaning and hope in life is apparently a very complicated and life long process, as evidenced by these posts.
Just how much study and education is required to figure it all out? And if you think you have it all pin pointed, does that mean that your conclusion was meant to be applied to everyone else in the world?
How are those who don't have the smarts or education supposed to sort it all out?
If the world was free of any kind of religion wouldn't people still be searching for some reason for it all?
Just asking. 
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SkygreenLeopard
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Religion creates "faith-based" thinking. Meaning, believing without, or in spite of, hard evidence. This creates the atmosphere for all the varied types of illogical, insane behavior we see in every aspect of life, not just politics.
Here's a thought, if people are interested in discovering the origin of life, why not focus that energy into productive scientific exploration and research? Better humanity?
Instead, all we have is religious fruitcakes frothing at the mouth over fantasies created by bronze-age tribesmen impeding scientific progress, justifying and encouraging bigotry, tearing apart the world by it's seams with pointless wars because of minute, irrelevant differences.
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lemontrail
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For me reason and meaning aren't found in religion. I don't consider myself religious, not even to a small degree. I am spiritual, and there is a difference. I believe that we are all free to find a god of our own understanding, and that no one need be stuck in dogma. I don't browbeat anyone with my spiritual beliefs, because it is not my right to do so. If you want to know what my beliefs are, I am more than happy to share them with you, and if you don't want to know, that's OK too. I cannot tell anyone what is right for them. I can only know what is right for me.
Organized religion has been, and continues to be a danger to individual life and liberty, and I am not referring to only one religion, I'm referring to all the world's major religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Each has and does use it's beliefs, literature, and interpretations to subjugate, enslave, oppress, and slaughter others. History bears this out.
I want no part of any of these religions.
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SkygreenLeopard
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| lemontrail wrote: | For me reason and meaning aren't found in religion. I don't consider myself religious, not even to a small degree. I am spiritual, and there is a difference. I believe that we are all free to find a god of our own understanding, and that no one need be stuck in dogma. I don't browbeat anyone with my spiritual beliefs, because it is not my right to do so. If you want to know what my beliefs are, I am more than happy to share them with you, and if you don't want to know, that's OK too. I cannot tell anyone what is right for them. I can only know what is right for me.
Organized religion has been, and continues to be a danger to individual life and liberty, and I am not referring to only one religion, I'm referring to all the world's major religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Each has and does use it's beliefs, literature, and interpretations to subjugate, enslave, oppress, and slaughter others. History bears this out.
I want no part of any of these religions. |
I completely agree. I'm not one of the "new-wave" atheists. I believe spirituality has it's place. What I detest is organized religion. The major religions in the world control every aspect of the populace's lives.
Fundamentalist christians try every day to take away the rights of those who don't share their beliefs based on their own creed-based 'morals', fundamentalist muslim suicide bombers terrorize entire countries every day with sick justifications of "doing gods work." Ethnic cleansing, genocide, slavery, bigotry... all these things are fueled largely by twisted senses of moral superiority that the evil institution of organized religion promotes.
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SkygreenLeopard
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| lemontrail wrote: |
Organized religion has been, and continues to be a danger to individual life and liberty, and I am not referring to only one religion, I'm referring to all the world's major religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Each has and does use it's beliefs, literature, and interpretations to subjugate, enslave, oppress, and slaughter others. History bears this out.
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Probably the best quote to ever come from this boards existence. I applaud you!
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jhofficial
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I thought I was the only one going to hell. I'm gonna have a lot of company.
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SkygreenLeopard
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| jhofficial wrote: | | I thought I was the only one going to hell. I'm gonna have a lot of company. |
typical.
Don't you ever get tired of spouting off the same old hate-based b.s.?
There are so many incredible things you guys could be focusing that energy into instead. Such a waste.
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lemontrail
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| SunAlsoRises wrote: | | lemontrail wrote: |
Organized religion has been, and continues to be a danger to individual life and liberty, and I am not referring to only one religion, I'm referring to all the world's major religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Each has and does use it's beliefs, literature, and interpretations to subjugate, enslave, oppress, and slaughter others. History bears this out.
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Probably the best quote to ever come from this boards existence. I applaud you! |
Geez, you're good for my ego SAR!
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SkygreenLeopard
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I think this thread should be renamed to: "There are moderate Muslims, Christians, and Hindus, but no moderate Islam, Christianity, or Hinduism."
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lemontrail
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| jhofficial wrote: | | I thought I was the only one going to hell. I'm gonna have a lot of company. |
Oh wooooooow... jh knows the mind of the christian god, and has had a peek at his little book 'o life. Yer special jh!
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flyupsidedown
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SAR: | Quote: | It makes me sick.
Religion is a blight upon humanity, all religion. Can we please all just grow the hell up and start thinking like adults, please? Fairy tails are fun and all, but I'm a bit sick of the bickering. |
I would suggest, if it bothers you so much, and you are incapable of contributing in a civil manner, that you use that time honored tradition like a grown up and switch to another channel. You are embarrassing yourself.
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flyupsidedown
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SAR: | Quote: | | I don't care how much so-called "good" religious people claim their cults do in the world, the evil FAR outweighs any positive effects. I know it won't be in my lifetime(thanks, bible-belt ), but I dream of a religion-free, reason-based world. We need an Emancipation Proclamation for our minds! |
That is probably thee-most asinine statement of the 21st century. I mean really, take 2 seconds and think about what you just stated to the world with a straight face. "Religion-free, reason-based? That is like another ridiculous statement I heard from one of your ilk that, "there are no absolutes"! To which one replies, "is that statement an absolute"?
What would your "reason" be founded upon? Hmmm? The nazi's found it reasonable to extinguish jewish vermin to keep from poluting the german gene pool. Reason and Darwinism would dictate that we kill off lesser-thans that drain our resources. You know, eugenics that sweet little reason based science of annihilation. I've got to go but we can trash this subject anytime you want. Reason-based . . . hrrrrmmmph! Give me a break. Old as the hills.
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lemontrail
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I think it's a nice thought SAR. No more Christians, No more kooks, No more Muslims, Dirty looks...
| Quote: | | What would your "reason" be founded upon? Hmmm? |
History.
| Quote: | | The nazi's found it reasonable to extinguish jewish vermin to keep from poluting the german gene pool. Reason and Darwinism would dictate that we kill off lesser-thans that drain our resources. You know, eugenics that sweet little reason based science of annihilation. |
Very poor analogies and logic, fly.
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SkygreenLeopard
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| lemontrail wrote: |
Very poor anaoogies and logic, fly. |
What do you expect? Christian thinking!
If you are against christianity and pro-reason, you're a nazi!
Ridiculous.
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flyupsidedown
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lemonlogic: | Quote: | | Very poor analogies and logic, fly. |
meaning logic that you cannot refute. Reason is a floating notion. The bible teaches "the words of man are like deep water". That doesn't mean 'deep' as in esoteric but rather deep water as in you will drown and there is nowhere to touch down. Reason changes at the whim of who ever is in control, whether Lenin, Stalin, Pol pot, Hitler etc. They were only doing what they thought to be . . . "reasonable" in their way of thinking. It is the height of absurdity to declare "the reason of man" as God. Talk about a losing game. Give me one example in history since the beginning of God's creation where that example worked. To the Spartans it was reasonable to require every man, by law, to have a young male lover. You were considered a security risk if you didn't. They dressed their women like men, shaved their heads and would select who would "breed" with who to further the Spartan ideal warrior. Where are they now? The reason of man is death.
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